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Has any of this happened closer to you, in your native Italy?

Of course. Gradually this topic starts to evolve and various groups in Italy started to emerge. In fact, Italy was a rather relevant centre of contactism of its time. The first prominent figure in this subject was Eugenio Siragusa (image on the right) who started his experience in 1952, the same year as Adamski. Only about 10 years later, he started a movement called the Centre for Studies of the Cosmic Brotherhood (Centro Studi Fratellanza Cosmica) which was the cornerstone of Italian contactism. Contactism in Italy has also seen other forms of contactism, slightly less UFO related and with stronger spiritual connotations. For instance the Florence Circle 77 with the messages from the various Masters of other dimensions which made the so called contact with our world through the medium Roberto Setti. Today, one of the strongest contactee movements is the one started by Giorgio Bongiovanni, which seems to be the continuation of Siragusa’s movement.

Why did you decide to give such an interview? In what way does contactism relate to the esoteric line of thought?

The study of contactism and the UFO phenomenon in general is undertaken because most certainly behind the manifestations lies something interesting that could enlighten various aspects about our own reality. Contactism has formed a kind of relative culture and all those who are more or less involved in it, with their more or less reliable experiences, have contributed to the general observational material within that culture. We must perform our research carefully, trying to understand all the information available and sorting what is original and what is not.

There is undoubtedly a common experience that is thereon translated and interpreted differently, often with some mystification. This is the biggest pollutant for such research. Mystification occurs when the individual who experienced a manifestation of the sort, often beyond his or her comprehension, starts to adapt, add and distort the facts, thus annexing content and experiences of others. This occurs for various reasons, including a lack of conscience or ethics or simply a need for personal glorification.

Just as it often occurs in the Medium phenomenon, we often see a mix of reality and mystification which becomes difficult to set apart. We often see that the public contactees, those who make a living out of it, start by presenting themselves as messengers, then become envoys, later prophets (more or less explicitly) and eventually semi-gods or divine or alien incarnations. Putting aside the obvious mystifications and ravings of attention seekers, in general these topics are not spoken of with acrimony. This is due to the fact that these people started with a real belief and do not end up losing their minds but rather being caught in a complex web of societal factors. Once they are in the spotlight they need to stay there, most often for economical reasons. This leads to a distortion of what was originally intended and leads them to make up additional stories.

Indeed, the phenomenon holds many sides to it. How can we establish a criterion of evaluation?

On its own, the UFO phenomenon has always been a thorn in the foot for the rationalists because it is an ambiguous and slippery phenomenon due to the fact that most solid and demonstrable evidence is also the most absurd. As a matter of fact, experiences lived by a lot less sane and sensible people than Adamski are also those with more tangible and solid evidence. On the other hand, the more mystic, competent and interesting contactees rarely carry any proof. The phenomenon is not continuous or coherent, which leads to another topic, rather than the contactees we talk about the abductees and those who have simply lived through strange experiences. The most common stories come from ordinary people who were coming home from a night at the movies or from the office, down came a flying saucer, out came the alien on duty (and we shall also discuss the typology of this) and did something strange like punching through the car and leave or even stealing the underwear (as one person stated!) or abduct them and perform horrible tests on them. Now of course, between the underwear lady and Adamski who was given the task to communicate with the World’s leaders, it is obvious to see which story has a more interesting and long term effect. But Adamski’s story is also the least documented one. The underwear lady had marks and prints for all to see that were scientifically authenticated and Adamski had no proof. It is therefore evident that behind the various forms and shapes of the occurrence there is something real that cannot be framed within our existing criteria.

Can we state that the phenomenon is indecipherable in the sense that the so called aliens could well be from other planets as they could be from other places (for instance inside the Earth), or even parallel or superior dimensions and when they interact with us the phenomenon becomes unexplained?

This reminds me of the Flatland story… yes of course, what you are saying makes sense. This is in fact the new trend in modern Ufology. But at this point and returning to the anecdotes I’ve just told you, the phenomenon is something impersonal. It may originate from external as well as internal dimensions. It takes the form of the “container” it finds or to which a form and appearance is given (be it energetic or physical) which goes along our capacity of interpretation, our psychological preparation and our senses. Therefore we are not only talking about UFO typology, which funnily enough seem to follow the technological advancements and perceptions of the time they are seen, but rather Spirits, Masters, Appearances of the Virgin Mary, Fairies, Gnomes… which can all be boxed within the realm of an inter-dimensional contact phenomenon during which it is us humans with our thoughts who give them a shape and form, based on auto suggestion, expectations, hopes and fears. This and our capacity to imagine and elaborate what we are coming in contact with, either intentionally or by accident.

What I mean to say is that, ultimately, it is a phenomenon which is influenced, if not caused, by our own conscience. We therefore enter the realm of what I call Esoteric Ufology.

Can you help us understand what you are suggesting here?
 
Take Adamski, for example. A Theosophist, a Catholic, a Gnostic Christian who says he met beautiful and luminous angels that took him into space and gave him the cosmic task of bringing peace and salvation to Earth. Now let’s take another interesting contactee example that came after Adamski, Billy Meier (picture on the left). This is a complex character. In the case of Adamski, no one could ever say that was ill-intentioned because he lived his life in profound conviction of his beliefs and actions. He died with his convictions without earning anything out of that. Billy Meier on the other hand made a sudden jump, becoming an international attraction and began commercializing books and gadgets, which took him down the “source of income” route, which today pulls a large portion of the New Ages movements into business and commerce. Billy Meier had to constantly update his performance in order to remain in the spotlight. He therefore started to contradict himself and added obvious mystifications into the factual reality, inspired by science fiction the growing expectations of the public’s imagination. Billy Meier talks about “good” aliens, his Pleiadian friends who care about the destiny of Humanity, with whom he meets regularly (among which a woman named Semiase corresponding to one of the fallen angels of the Book of Enoch, which Meier most probably discovered later on). All of these aliens used mythical names that related in one way or another to some divinity in a pantheon somewhere. Then there were the “bad” aliens. On this topic, Meier wrote: “…There are also different life forms that have acquired much knowledge and have freed themselves from their environment. They travel through space and occasionally come to Earth. Many of them are rather unpleasant creatures and live in a type of barbarism that frequently is nearly as bad as the terrestrials. [..] Many are evil and power hungry, therefore it could happen that they abduct some terrestrials [..] and take them to their planet of origin where they become experiments. [..] These intelligences want to take Earth and its inhabitants under their control. [..] Many of Earth’s leaders are under the control of these beings without even knowing it.”

 In Italy, one of the prominent figures of this kind of contactism was Germana Grosso (photo on the left). She was a Medium from Turin and in the 70s she claimed the existence of “good” and “bad” aliens, to which she attributed all the wrong-doing in our society. She most certainly contributed greatly to the patrimony of Italian contactism however in my opinion there is a lot to be skimmed out of her claims.

 

How do you relate to these experiences?

I am a researcher and lecturer in the field of quantum sciences but I also represent a line of thought and experiences of esoteric nature and a point of reference for an Order of initiates of Thelemic basis. For many years, I have held lectures and conferences in Italy and abroad, especially in the field of Esoteric Physics, Alchemy and meditation, covering some of the topics I have explained in this interview, which then lead to Atlantis and the various historical theories that relate to the presence of alien intelligence on our planet. With regards to the subject of this interview, I can say that I have experienced contactism directly and also lived the phenomenon from within, though trying to maintain the forma mentis necessary for this type of research. Keeping an interpretative mind allowed me to live these experiences in a controlled manner, which is what I intended as a researcher.

I didn’t experience these manifestations spontaneously. It was wanted and planned, practicing a certain type of psychic technique aimed at obtaining the link between parapsychical realities. It is sometimes required to let go of some control, which is what these entities need in order to get used to manifest and communicate in a reality which contains radically different logics. This of course is not a complete alienisation of the manifestation but rather an equilibrium in order to come into contact with ourselves and with this type of manifestation (and both go together) in a more aware and conscious manner. The equilibrium is important: letting go but maintaining the will to see clearly. Often in certain groups and currents, especially the religious or neo-spiritual ones, it is said that culture makes the mind heavier, which must remain empty to make space for other things. Well I believe that one must beware and be very sceptical of such claims and philosophies.

How can religion influence this research?

Well as an example, it is interesting to note that a lot of the contactees were influenced by the Christian paradigm: there aren’t just good angels and demons – typical Judaeo-Christian dualistic moral schema – but good and bad aliens. The good ones became the

Avant-gardes of Jesus Christ, who is in their minds an alien as well and will return to save us. The Christian paradigm is one form in which the UFOs have materialised; in this case it is the container that was found. In Italy for instance, almost all the contactees were Christian, therefore when confronted with a supernatural reality they codified it in a Christian manner thus generating a mix of manifestations among which are UFOs, Christ, the Virgin Mary, the stigma and various saints, going all the way to declaring themselves the reincarnation of one or the other. This went on with such strength that contactism turned into a religion.

How did this phenomenon develop in the US and around the World?

In the US, the phenomenon took a more populist route, more towards the random encounters, where common people suddenly became involved in strange situations to the point where we reached the abduction testimonies, retrieved under hypnosis but backed with objective evidence. This started also happening in other countries around the World and the testimonies were considerably coherent with one another. Sightings and encounters of various types have been documented in the tens of millions of which tens of thousands relate to abductions where the subjects were used in genetic experiments and to obtain biological substances from them. Nevertheless, we cannot divide so neatly the line between a contactee and someone who experienced an encounter. For instance, he most significant research in this field, for instance John Mack’s work and many others on encounters has shown that even common people with no mystical or spiritual expectations behaved as contactees once exposed to experiences that their current logic hard a hard time to digest and comprehend, to the point where their mystificative behaviour became a mechanism to help them cope with their traumatic and often brutal experiences (some claim the extraction of blood, sperm, eggs and organs, or even sexual violence for reproductive purposes and creating hybrid – we shall not enter this particular topic for the time being).

 Obviously we are talking about something considerably different than Adamski’s views. It is important to note that manifestations that appeared to contactees in the Adamski style presented themselves more or less as follows:

On the right you can an image of Ashtar Sheran, allegedly the commander of an interplanetary armada that was contacted by Van Tessel in the early 1950s. This character then became the lead character in various German contactee groups and is now widely known worldwide (with various interpretations and versions). This drawing was made in me medianic centre in Berlin. It is a very Aryan image although the necklace he is wearing contains the eight points star, the star of Astarte or Ishtar (representing Venus – those who drew it probably didn’t know that).

 I must add however that during one of my study session and contact with this global reality, I also encountered an entity who claimed to be called Ashtar Sheran.

 Stepping away from the Ashtar Sheran type, you then get this:

Quite different!

This is the form of alien generally described by people with encounters and, more specifically, abductees who are taken, analysed, occasionally brutalised and thrown back on the street.

 These tend to be smaller, cold, with large heads, grey and impersonal, with two small openings on the sides for ears and the very characteristic large black eyes. Some of the abductees who have described and drawn these “greys” at first just described their random first experience. Later on however and once they had digested the events, they became obsessed researchers of this subject, sometimes even bringing salvational messages and taking this type of alien back to the “good” side.

It is also interesting to note that a lot of characters, one of which is Whitley Strieber, firstly go through the experience in a negative and confused manner but then with time they start to open up to the alien world and start claiming that it has aspects that relate to us. They talk about a possible apocalypse on Earth and the necessity to have a new race. They don’t talk about spiritual ascension (as did Adamski) but rather of a physical hybrid race that can survive on Earth after humans become extinct. Streiber’s book, Communion, explains this topic in length.

How does the behaviour and eventual involvement of Governments develop and evolve?

Well in a simultaneous manner to all of this, Governments changed their strategies along the way. There is no longer a vow of silence but rather a vow of noise. All of the suddenly, former high ranking officials of the army, government and intelligence agencies, with the excuse of no longer being in service, state that they can now reveal what was really going on. We can think of examples such as Philip Corso, Thomas Castello and Bob Lazar as well as many other former members of US Intelligence that suddenly reveal their truth and explain the what happened behind the scenes at Roswell, the Majestic 12 cover up, the concealment of the alien bodies (greys) kept in the infamous Area 51 and so on and so forth. From this we start the see the emergency of numerous conspiracy theories. We can also include the so called pact between the US Government and the alien nation in 1947, which allowed greys to abduct humans for analysis and experimentation as long as they were returned safely. In exchange, the US Government would receive technologies such as propulsion systems, nanotechnologies, laser, optic fibre, etc. It is said that human DNA could be used to create a superior hybrid race but another theory states that they need our DNA to reconstruct their own for the survival of their species. It seems as though these greys, apparently originary from the Zeta Reticuli system were also involved with “evil” reptilians from the Draco constellation and have lost control of their civilisation to these reptilians. The theories go on and on.

 Obviously these stories are a lot more phantasmagorical than what Adamski had to say. It is also strange that all of the sudden all these testimonies arise from nowhere, perfectly coordinated and coherent, which leaves a certain could of doubt onto the more serious and prepared Ufology sphere. All of this feeds the conspiracy theories, especially when certain deaths are emphasised suddenly making them suspicious, such as Philip Corso himself. After he explained the alien propulsion systems and described how the vehicle and the pilot enter in symbiosis (as Adamski had already stated), he managed to die.

It all feeds into a cloud of mystery and fanaticism, which only adds to the confusion.

Indeed, it is very hard to discern from it all. What are the decryption keys you suggest for the esoteric approach?

Well, I am presenting a series of scenarios that superpose each other and generate great debate internally among Ufologist, contactees, sceptics and the general public.

Additionally, after the sudden turn of rationalists, that firstly mocked Adamski but are now kneeling at the feet of Bob Lazar and kissing the stigmas of Bongiovanni, it seems as though everything is clear. But in reality nothing is clear at all!

 What we can do in order to start making sense of things, is to bring together authentic scepticism with authentic Gnosticism, understood as the capacity to interact with knowledge in an active rather than passive manner.

 We can assume that behind the UFO phenomenon, there is some kind of psychic occurrence, deeply connected to the mutation of the psychic archetypes that govern our planet. As Carl Jung said whilst referring to the mutations linked to the Age of Aquarius, we are faced with changes in the collective conscience due to the displacement of the points of reference (constellations) and the related spiritual and cosmic paradigms. All of this is manifesting, in multidimensional planes of existence, seeds that inexplicably are interacting with our interior dimension and our projection of reality, thus becoming physical events.

 At this point, the behaviour is that of an individual confronted to the unknown (from an anthropological point of view, it is similar to the relationship between men and gods) with the intent of going through the experience in a cognitive manner rather than in a conditioned and alienated form. In other words, in a controlled manner. By controlling the phenomenon, the mask falls and the real nature is revealed. Therefore, these realities, these forces, begin presenting themselves differently in relation to their apparent form. The phenomenon is then studied for what it really is and we go into the historical research of the relationship of humanity with parallel or superior realities in function of the evolution (or involution) of its consciousness.

 
For instance, already at the end of the 1800s all the initiate and esoteric societies claim to be in contact with superhuman

Intelligences that were part of a hierarchy of beings and were previously unknown to us. These claims were the preface of the New Age movements and brought back into the spotlight a series of concepts, knowledge and values in relation to the sacred (the Theosophical Society, The Order of the Rose Croix, the Knight Templars and their successive evolutions until the Thelemic movements, Aleister Crowley, etc.). One of the first to point this out back in the days was Madame Blavatsky. These phenomena were the “ancestors” of UFOs. These beings were of a superior intelligence and more evolved consciousness than humans, they have influenced our history from behind the scenes and it was possible to come into contact with them.  

In the Theosophical idea, which has influenced esotericism and spiritualism until the New Age, there are two hierarchies: the White Brotherhood and the Black Brotherhood. The first operates towards our spiritual evolution and the salvation of our planet. The other opposes our evolution and operates towards our dissolution and eternal enslavement.

Evidently this is taken into consideration when we hear the contactee talk about the good and bad aliens and it is obvious that it is based on this principle. This is also found in modern New Age movements.


What is the change towards which we have to open up?

Well first of all, the fact that all of this originates from different dimensions does not mean it must be accepted in a passive manner or worse, with fideism and religiosity. Otherwise we fall into the good and bad schema of Judaeo-Christian religions and therefore become passive receptacles to the manifestations and not being able to take control of our state of consciousness and defining what we see with our subconscious rather than for what it really is. These dualistic and moralistic schemes are unfortunately also used in new sects and communities that present themselves are New Age but in fact use the fear factor to the benefit of the guru on duty. If instead we take a different approach towards this reality with openness, selectiveness, activeness and a non critical view (our rationale is insufficient), in other words a “magical” approach, we will realise step by step that the manifestation becomes impersonal, as an image that loses its contours. It dissolves but doesn’t disappear. It becomes more authentic and with less of our emotional charge, of our cognitive schemes, of our expectations and fears.

Can you illustrate this further?

Well, the look of the greys with big elongated and extremely black eyes (indecipherable, without emotion) brings back the reminiscence of predators from humanity’s collective memories and therefore our worst fears. Their appearance can easily be compared to several pictorial interpretations of evil and demonical. It is therefore an image from within the collective psyche. This is just an example of course to help understand the complex mechanism behind the phenomenon. Behind the UFO phenomenon there is an impersonal reality that takes the shape and form of our psychic contents and of the archetypes of our collective unconscious, until it solidifies them. This can be seen with the examples and images of UFOs in the 1950s which were far more primitive technologically than those seen in the 80s and so on. It curiously followed the collective imagination of science and science fiction. Yet all the documentation and testimonies are authentic since the manifestation of the reality that is concealed behind UFOs takes different forms in line with the times.

But is there an actual message that can be extracted from the various contacts and encounters?

 If you analyse the enormous quantities of documentation now available, I would say there is. Putting aside the various created situations (psychic messages, contacts and abductions), we could say that there is a will to create groups which gather in such a way that they generate a certain amount of psychic human energy and direct it towards this topic: as if that reality was fed with it or retains important to come into contact with our energy will even play with our fantasy and imagination to achieve this.

We must keep in mind that the same argument is valid for manifestations interpreted as religious in nature. Indeed, the vision of the Virgin of Fatima seems to have had obvious UFO connotations from the testimonies of the people present (however UFOs were not recognised as such at the time). This also refers to the topic of miracles – natural phenomena that occur due to an overload of energy – fits within this discussion. Let’s not forget that a lot of contactees acquire healing powers after their experiences.

It is important to note that modern physics is now questioning the fact that the Universe as we see and interpret it actually really exists or not. The concepts and theories of space and time are being revisited; science now talks about a multidimensional Universe, doors to parallel realities and the virtual reality of matter. The fact is that we do not know what and how the Universe is made so worrying about whether or not there are other inhabited planets in the Universe is a false problem: we don’t even know if we truly exist! Until we know more about the Universe and become more aware of the vast multidimensional nature of it, we can only apply existing logic and understanding, which is not nearly enough to grasp the full concept of reality and the phenomena within. The approach to understanding UFOs and aliens should not be about obtaining answers but rather asking the right questions. We need new questions that are more appropriate to the concept of reality rather than just appearances. The UFO phenomenon, perhaps one of the most interesting and provocative of our time, can help us consider new questions as it represents a door to a world beyond. We must let go of the masks and get rid of the desire to be herded like sheep by some cosmic shepherd that takes care and protects us from the big bad wolf. Or even to think that there could be something of alien origin inside of us. Until we truly know what we are and what our conscience is, we will never be able to obtain more evolved decryption keys of reality. The fact that the collective conscience of humanity, through the contact with energies of this kind, is able to materialise machines will remain unexplained unless we become aware of these issues.

So what do you think about the retrieved UFOs or the famous alien autopsy?

Well I am not surprised that physical evidence could have been retrieved, be it crafts or bodies where autopsies have been conducted or even live ones who have been interviewed. However, we must be cautious on the veracity. It could all well be part of the vow of noise. When in Ufology you see extremely obvious or clear elements or something not ambiguous enough chances are it is fake. Real things are ambiguous in the sense that the phenomenon itself is ambiguous and often comes into dissonance with our own logics and surpasses our understanding.

So then what are UFOs?

I simply don’t know, but I do not want to know under these terms simply because any answer would only be a partial answer. As a researcher I am not interested in half an answer. We must instead try to understand how things function, how we interact with alternative realities and this is where “Magic” comes up along with a variety of ancient traditions that have a lot to teach us. The classic contactee is usually not aware of this and is not intrigued enough to enquire about the Dogon traditions for instance or the principle of Ceremonial Magic, instead of the Vimana descriptions in the Veda. Contactees often talk about things they know very little about, without any anthropological or esoteric knowledge behind what they are saying. Their experiences become the absolute and are then subject to alterations with the external pressures they are subject to such as fashion, the phenomenon of the masses, the commerce and market logic and of course the mystification because when people ask for the truth, some kind of truth needs to be given out…

On the other hand some people started off with contactism but then related the events to the Magical realm (and we shall clarify the term Magic later on). They connected the events with a series of other factors instead of isolating it. Isolating the experience will never lead to any interesting results or information.

The only concern is that a vampirical, dark and gloomy image of the phenomenon is being fed through. This trend is created by the so called topic authorities like Bob Lazar. People that go around with a briefcase full of evidence, alien implants extracted from abductees (abductees have often stated to have been implanted devices to keep them under control). There are also X-rays and physical evidence. But these characters that make a living out of the conferences they give on this topic have turned Ufological research into a Business. Of course, each one is free to do as he or she likes but the real concern is that turning Ufology into something that is preached could lead to fideism or even worse: let’s not forget that this phenomenon interacts with the collective psyche and if the collective psyche gives a certain shape and form, the phenomenon will take this attributed shape. It is a bit like what some of the after death theories say: the departed will find themselves in the paradises or hells they have created for themselves.

So what do you suggest should be done to adequately confront the phenomenon?

Well it could be very interesting to start modifying ourselves the paradigm in order to see how it interacts with a suddenly different mode of interpretation or point of view. As is stated in Quantum Physics, some phenomena give different results according to the condition and changing factors of the observer.

Are you saying that UFOs exist as a manifestation of our conscience?

I am saying that UFOs exist as long as they find a psychic content that gives them a solid form, shape and nature. From my point of view, it would be too simplistic to just state that they are in our minds. They are a result of our conscience just like everything else but then we enter in the realm of mysticism and spiritual physics. For now let’s just say that they are a shape and form given to a form of energy that doesn’t originate from us but that is part of certain aspects of reality that we still know nothing about (whether it is interior or exterior doesn’t matter at this point because we would enter into a different type of discussion where a different type of logic needs to be applied)

In any case, we are talking about an exogenous alien phenomenon that opens up like a window towards another reality and that should lead us to enquire how much of that "alienness" is really within us or at least to question how much of what we perceive as real comes from what we have told to be our world and reality.

This has been taught to us by two “evil masters”: firstly by a certain a kind of rationalism that is derived from the other evil master, a certain kind of religious dogma that has alienated us from the Sacred and the Divine within (as concepts and absolutes) and has taught us that we are a nice herd that requires a shepherd to guide it, protect it and save it. There is a very thin line between a good shepherd and an evil one so if we let this paradigm spill into the UFO phenomenon, with our logic of good and evil, our salvational expectations, our sense of guilt, our fears and our tendency to be faithful and submissive beings waiting to be graced, it may well turn against us. On the other hand, if the phenomenon is handled in an active, aware, critical and analytical manner, all of the sudden the physical manifestation rarefies until it is dissolved. It exits from the loop of emotionally charged manifestations on the physical plane (as it often occurs in paranormal phenomena) and becomes an event with a more harmonised and coherent connotation.  At this point, the most appropriate behaviour should be scientific-Gnostic approach: there is one discipline that has always attempted to teach the balance between reason and perception and that is “Magic”, starting always with the harmonisation of science and conscience. In my opinion, this is the behaviour that should be applied on the UFO phenomenon, which inserts it in a larger topic as merely a component of the whole.

So we enter the topic of Magic?

Indeed, but the term needs to be redefined for the wider audience, later on.

Let’s connect this topic to all the subjects we have discussed previously, such as Magic, Esoteric Physics, Thelema, Crowley, etc. Actually since we mention Crowley, we have to note that the archetypes now related to UFOs had already been presented much earlier than the UFO phenomenon in certain esoteric circles. As a matter of fact, below is a drawing done by Crowley in the 1920s that illustrates a force, a superior alien intelligence with which he was in contact in a very similar manner:

This entity contacted by Crowley was defined by him as superhuman and was identified with the name of LAM. It was part of the so called Secret Chiefs along with another entity called AIWASS, the entity that conveyed to him the Liber Legis. We can’t help but notice that the physiognomy and traits of this being are somewhat similar to those found later on in the modern contactee descriptions.    

But the same thing can be said of various primitive drawing and illustrations…

Indeed. Authors such as Kolosimo, Sitchin and Bauval bring our attention to a variety of depictions of ancient symbols and divinities (Egyptian, African, Sumerian rather than Mayan, etc) that recall the idea of alien beings with even suits and helmets. Personally I would be rather cautious on the interpretation: the fact that divine beings were drawn with big eyes doesn’t necessarily mean they were wearing masks or devices and perhaps the eyes and antennae could have had a symbolic magical-mystical meaning to these people. We should not attempt at all costs to attribute significations that belong to our own current logic and understanding of reality to symbols from profoundly different cultures than our own. Of course I won’t even go into the forced conclusions and interpretations made by some authors in order to sell more books…

You spoke of Aleister Crowley earlier on: how does he fit into this subject?

We can say that the first form of esotericism that investigated reality as holistic and multidimensional, thus unifying Esotericism, Magic, Esoteric Physics and Ufology was the Thelemic current, founded by Crowley. He has the merit of understanding the connection and being the precursor of the great archetypal changes of the Age of Aquarius. Later on Grant, Bertieaux and various other research movements of Thelemic-Maatian influence investigated the theories of Chaos, Stellar Magick, etc.

Are you talking about studies on parallel realities?

Yes but with many nuances and different cultural heritages. Clearly paraphysics was invented by physicians who inherited a certain classical culture and on the other side you have the New Age movements that push towards an extreme simplification of the mechanisms, often emphasising the dualistic idea which suggests that from these alien dimensions, other beings and forces attempt to keep us under control and vampirise our vital energy (religions in this case would be the social and psychological instruments created to extract the vital energy out of human beings; this energy then goes to feed these external forces). Obviously this insists on the dualistic approach, a rather distant concept from the paradigms of the Age of Aquarius (or Eon of Horus). This approach has led to the appearance of sects, pseudo-Aquarian communities, neo-spiritual groups and new gurus of various sorts.

It is important to point out that even notable researchers like Castaneda have fallen into the dualistic trap. Towards the end of his career, Carlos Castaneda started talking about malignant entities that surrounded mankind and feed upon us like simple food, etc. Wherever there is a line of thought along these lines, it actually creates a dualistic scheme of reality which will take on the same expression: these forces exist, I am not saying they don’t – they are mentioned even in my studies and writings – but they are entities created by us humans as a result of thousands of years of ways, behaviours and attitudes. They are not the historical cause of humanity’s sleep and spiritual involution. The awakening must therefore begin from within us.

It is us who are allowing this predation and we have locked ourselves into a variety of political, social, religious and cultural schemes that make sure this continues in this manner. There is now of course en energetic mechanism that ensures the continuity of this entrapment but it was created by mankind in the first place. And if we continue to think in this manner, things will be as we want them to! The entrapment will continue.

We are in fact capable of creating the hells and paradises that we want. Even when certain phenomena that are in between various realities manifest, they do it as per how we, as a collective entity and consciousness, have determined they should manifest. If we suddenly come out of the idea and principle of sin, the devil, the paradigm of sheep-shepherd-wolf and from the constant necessity to be reassured and “saved” (which has also distorted some of the core value of the New Age, turning things into a bunch of superstitions with followers and money making schemes), the phenomenon would probably change drastically to our own benefit.

Today’s modern scientists talk about a Holographic Universe. Can you help us understand this concept?

The Universe is product of the projection of our senses and from our conscience. We are part of, or rather, we are one with the Absolute (conceptually and energetically). The Absolute for some reason we have yet to understand manifests in different frequencies of energy and conscience. As these frequencies come into contact, they create, as it is in our case, an apparent 3D image orientated in a unidirectional time dimension, which constitutes our plane of existence.  In short, we are locked inside a sensorial and circuit until we learn to control this circuit, we cannot have the absolute certainty that things are the way we think and believe they are:  Simply due to the fact that we vibrate on the same frequencies, we have the sensation of physicality. But this is only true on a plane parity. Esoteric Physics explains Magic (or Magick) is the multidimensional science of reality, the mathematics to understand and move within the various planes of reality and conscience (which are in fact one and the same), but remaining cautious not to think we can apply the same criteria from one plane to another. So, to what extent is there real objectivity to what we consider to be material? As a matter of fact the UFO phenomenon seems to be some sort of confusion of planes because it mixes with our physical and material reality something that in fact could be very different, becoming physical when it sees fit, later becoming energy again, disappearing or mutating completely, especially when we try to define it within a set scheme.

How do you connect what seems to be a revolution of scientific and cultural thought along with the return of a certain esoteric philosophy more or less linked to the New Age and the Age of Aquarius?

This is a rather historical moment where all that was once an established fact is thrown back onto the discussion board. The planes are shifting and mixing in order to reformulate what we are defining as reality: perhaps we are at the edge of a great mutation, a big change (someone might have called it apocalypse) and great affluence of energy. In some of my studies and writings I have gone into more detail on the topic of parallel worlds and the detachment of planes of existence. Surely at a global level, we are in the midst of a mixture of paradigms that need to reformulate in a new manner, according to potential futures and schematics that could go in very different directions from one another.

Given that the UFO phenomenon is extendable to the entire human history, can we consider the hypothesis of Sitchin?

I think his theories are fascinating and audacious although after the first book, things started to take a rather commercial and sensationalistic turn in the subsequent writings. But this is only my personal point of view. We could most certainly investigate further, with different instruments of research, the various possible contacts that may have occurred throughout human history, even in the very old history of our planet without necessarily making improbable reinterpretations of the Bible as a cosmic saga but still putting into discussion the birth of religions and the relationship between mankind and the Sacred. The Bible may have passages that could bear a Ufologist interpretation however there are also cabalistic components that can offer a completely different meaning as well. For this purpose perhaps the Veda are far more explicit… it is important however not to take things too literally; at least not as a starting point. Furthermore, if we take Plato, Pythagoras, Proclus or even Marsilio Ficino and Giordano Bruno, we can find elements of great interest that can definitely make us think and meditate more than many modern authors that surf on the fashion wave of the moment.

What do you mean by Magic or Magick?

Certainly it is not the magic of wizards and fairy godmothers or that of stage magicians. This term has a more complex definition also from an etymological perspective. From an anthropological and esoteric point of view, Magic (Magick) defines the general approach towards the knowledge of reality and the values of the Sacred, where human beings place themselves in an active and synergetic position within reality: in more philosophical terms, humans adore the gods but then eat them to become God. This is the behaviour of the magus as opposed to the faithful follower who abandons his will to the divinity for it to do as it pleases. In the end, the result could be the same if we enter into a discussion about mysticism, but the means and ways to reach that are considerably different. The serious mystic is that who can maintain control and a coherent magical behaviour that will allow him to reach a communion with the Absolute within him. Evidently, in order to understand who controls who, we must firstly understand who we really are: the first thing that needs to be understood is ourselves and our True Will in order to then be able to apply it onto the Absolute. Therefore it is possible to become a contactee overnight (especially if the contact is accidental and spontaneous) but one cannot become a magus overnight. If one starts with a phenomenon of contactism and later acquires the faculties and knowledge of a magus, it is possible to combine both and make a notable qualitative jump. The whole concept is to develop the capacity to access the phenomenon within the timeframe and modalities established through a form of harmonic and balanced concurrence of forces. This must be achieved without any abuse of power or losses of lucidity even during the time when one remains open and fully available towards something greater. This is accomplished through the ever more precise use of will power and the ever widening use of our own senses, as well as mental and spiritual faculties.

At that precise moment, we can have a glimpse on what could be reality, with less and less filtration, but also a glimpse on the means and the purpose of it all. This is what Magic (Magick) is: a communion with the supernatural without having to submit to an authority that doesn’t exist, because the only true authority is our own conscience, as long as we have been able sharpen it and make it evolve according to our true nature.